Just like every other group buy that jasonlee has run, as will this one, im just guaging interest...

it will be as follows:

a few members and I will be taking a 97+ rear bumper and having a body shop do a complete job molding a TC1 rear to it...

from there the donor rear end will be sent out to an undisclosed shop (jay and i havent talked that over yet) either E.D., Carbon Creations, or someone else just like all the other custom CF work we've had done over the last 2 years...

From there depending on interest, complete CF and Duraflex versions will be availible via group buy and im sure complete duraflex versions will be availible via online purchase afterwards...

pricing is still unknown, for it is something that was just talked about over the last 2-3 days..

note this will be a COMPLETE bolt on rear end, you will not have to have a body shop do any molding of any sort to get this bumper to fit...

this is what every1 has been waiting for.. and for you CF junkies this is your chance to complete your CF body kit.... for you ppl sick of having your body kit re molded or ppl afraid of buying body kits because of the extensive labor shops charge to do the molding, this is your chance to really luck out

prices will vary pending interest... but we need to see interest b4 we go and make something happen....

any questions, problems, concerns, opinions feel free to add to the topic....

pending a price id be in for duraflex...I wasnt going to get a rear for the reasons you stated.

not that i plan on buying one but i'd suggest something other than the tc1 rear. first off, you'll probably be able to sell more with a new design. second, i don't think the tc1 flows well with the gsx sides that i'm assuming this is ment to go with considering you said for the full carbon set up.

plus the tc1 is just played out and old

The tc1 ONLY flows with the tc1 sides. And likewise, the sides only really flow with the tc1 front.

A new rear would be your best bet, especially something that would match nicely to the gsx sides.

Plus shouldnt this thread be moved to the group buy forum?

Matt--you already now that I'm down...but I would really like it if the rear flowed perfectly with the GSX side skirts!!! Not sure how the TC1 would look with the skirts?

ic we have a lot of critics for a TC1, so since thats the case, how about some ideas...

remember though the crazier the design the more its going to cost to have a prototype made, which will ultimatly effect the cost of the bumper....

its also a lot easier to critique a design or an idea such as every1 with the monster front bumper... because noone is payin for the design work, fabrication, and finish....

so if you have ideas feel free to share them....

I just want it to flow with the side skirts!

Why not do a variation on the TC2 full rear for the Sebring and modify it for use with the Avenger? As far as I know there isn't a single venge sporting this rear.

TC2 design > TC1 skirt in many ways

Just my 0.2c

The tc1 is the full replacement bumper for the Sebring. The tc2 is the add on lip for either car.

you got that backwards, tc1 is the add on lip, tc2 is full replacement for sebrings



i would only really be interested in this if it was something new that i really liked


otherwise im fine with my unmolded tc1 rear that matches my skirts perfectly

So is this a tc1 or 2? http://www.eracings.com/catalog/images/ima...tc2-fb_pic1.jpg

I got confused.

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I'd be in if it flows well with the gsx skirts ...
I'd rather see something diffuserish like the carbon fiber add on for the eclipse

so you guys are saying a full replacement TC2 for the avenger, and offer teh TC2 for the sebring in CF for the group buy...

and make sure that the body line will match the GSX side skirts...

the height diff between the 2 isnt much i have both sets aka tc1 fiberglass and GSX CF... it cant be more then 1/4 to max 1/2 in. in height... so the problem with making it completly match the GSX is that the TC1 guys will complain it doesnt line up....

so were going to have to come up with some kinda give/take deal here...

more opinions welcome

btw some1 fill me in as to the diff in the sebring and avenger rears

bad venge in relation to your comment....

jay and i have contemplated that idea, using CF defusers to blend the CF theme into the rear bumper, but again we would need some sort of design and way to "blend" it into a car that already has a TC1 or TC2 rear skirt or for some1 that just has a stock rear bumper....

I've carbon wrapped a TC1 and it just doesn't look great ...
there was a carbon diffuser on ebay that would look awesome but unfortunately it was a scammer ...

all I care is that it is symmetrical unlike the TC 1. I hate it that people tell me that my exhaust is lower on one side because the skirt isn't cut the same.

TC I Molded

what about along the lines of the evo IX JDM rear? bascially the sides would probably be made to match the sideskirts... then in the rear it would go up a little higher across the middle (perfect spot to add a diffuser later)

just another idea...

oh and preliminary cost on the rear would be just like the front bumpers... when I originally set up the front bumper buy I talked with E.D. about a rear, and he said bumpers are $425 (CF) and $200(duraflex )for front or back for a group buy. ( regular cost would be around $700 or so for CF and 400 or so for duraflex)

JDM evo rear::::

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eclipse-Car...142769558QQrdZ1

There's the diffusor I'm talking about

the evo IX rear bumper is pretty plain... basically a smooth curve then flat around to the back...

now if we get 1 made with out a defuser installed it might look a little awkward....

also what would we do about an exhaust... ibasically have 2 choices my greddy cat back or having piping made for my thermal r&d muffler either way the muffler is like 8" diameter with a 3.5/4" tip how can we incorperate that with the evo bumper without it bouncing around and banging the snot out of the bumper....

I'm not so much for a smooth bottom end (on the avenger, but its okay on chicks!). I like the diffusor style rear end that the OEM style has...we should try to keep something like that in the final product. I like WB's suggestion as well, keeping proportional sides for people running a dual exhaust system.

I'm down for whatever as long as it flows with the GSX sides.

I would be down for something like this. If it flows fairly well with the tc1 sides i would probably be in.

If it flows well w/ tc1 sides.. has simetrical sides for dual exhaust



is this still being attempted anywayS?

its 100% go as soon as we can work up a few prototypes.... its the last peice to our CF cars so its going to get done one way or another....

either its gonna go like the doors where its just a small core group of 3-5 of us just to get it done and not deal with the small technical nit picks... or its going to go like the bumper where theres 10 ppl that will settle for whats being made...

again it comes down to, whoever is willing to put in some effort and time will get a say, if you dont wanna do either then deal with what we got..

the fact is a select few of us are going with complete CF cars, and teh bumper is trying to flow with OUR cars, with SOME give to the rest of the group... the fact is GSX side skirts are abotu 1/2 higher up then TC1s... and no1 wants JUST a TC1 full replacement..

BUT again no1 is willing to cough up a bumper or cough up a design they just want to criticize the ideas that the ppl who do front up ALL THE LABOR MONEY and donate their cars and bumpers designs and ideas...

well c how it goes and flows once i get my doors, bumper, and side skirts from jay.. ill be able to see how it flows with the trunk and with my molded tc1 and go from there....

Well I posted the diffusor from the eclipse I think that would look hot grafted into the bottom of a full carbon bumper ,since it was a scammer I have no way to get that piece
I can send out the carbon wrapped TC1 but like I said it looks like CRAP ...
Guess I dunno what you want ...

Is this just intended to be an Avenger bumper or is there going to be a design version based on the Sebring? What market exactly are you aiming for?

Im definitely in if it flows with the GSX skirts.

Anything new?

nope waiting on my CF body parts.... once i get them we can start up figuring out the height diff between GSX side skirts and a molded TC1

then we can go about design and flow features to fit every1

interested if its for sebring...

Im down for the venge.

Definitely update when you get some pictures or ideas. I'm very interested if it turns out to be a group buy.

Looked for some bumpers that I thought would look nice. I kind of considered jasons idea about the evo bumper with the open center and badvenges idea of a diffuser being grafted in. So here is what I found, maybe you guys will like them. I kind of like the eclipse one a little better because it isn't as low, which will match the gsx's a little better.

Honda Accord Bumper


Eclipse Bumper


Also did a little chop (on paint because I'm on campus), and I dont think it looks too bad. Maybe extend the diffuser down a little and some other things here and there. Sorry it looks pixelated. I had to downsize the original image and then it was too small so I made it bigger.

Are you willing to buy an Eclipse bumper to graph it onto the venge bumper?

I'd be willing to give some money towards buying one if thats the way everyone wants to go. I wont buy the whole thing. I'm not saying it would happen, but if it wouldn't go through I'd be out a couple hundred.

bump


any news on this, id help with funding and stuff but I R teh brokers(stupid tranny)

i received my CF bumper doors, and skirts this week actually, im moving into my new house this up comming week and will b able to get these items on to take measurements... jay n i have been talkin about a few ideas, but nothing has been in great detail, once we get a better idea well fill everyone in...

i agree with making it somthing totaly new, and diffrent, as long as its nothing like the bulky boss bumper( sorry boss fans) but i would also like to see that it flow evenly with the rest of the tc1, as in not starting to flow upwards as it goes back farther, i like tc1 idea also tho, but would like to see it modified to flow evenly,

but either way as long as it flows with the tc1 skirts, and looks hella good, im in now that i fucked my bumper up.!

I like this idea! i actually love the diffuser design the stock fender has! either that or something more like the solstice rear, where it goes high up in the middle and has a screen to let the air through. that, or some other desing for those of us concerned about air trapped in the rear bumper causing drag. maybe something that goes up towards the underbody to deflect the air away from the bumper? anyone else concerned about this, but me? lmao. :-P the soltice style rear doesn't look all so hot with paint and black plasit... but if its all CF... oh yeah. ;-)

solstice rear... http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/200...de-1280x960.jpg



ummm... you'll had custom Doors made for our Venges? what shop did you get them from? i'm fairly certain it wasn't GT Fabrications, because they seemed to have no idea what i was talking about when i said the Venge had the same door as the eclipse when i talked to them. i even got mine for 1250 shipped, because it was a mistake 1x1 twill made for someone that ordered a 2x2. normally their are 1450 shipped. what did y'all pay for yours? what did the weight come out to? they said mine were supposed to be 17.5 lbs, but they were actualy both 20 lbs even. maybe it has something to do with the 1x1 instead of the 2x2? i dunno... btw, the same company also started making 1G eclipse CF doors, too. claimed to be 14 lbs.

Also... you guys may think it's played out... but i LOVE the TC1 design! all except for the rear, but it's not bad. here in Oklahoma City, i've only ever seen one kitted Venge and it has the Viper style front. but see... i've got eveything carbon on my car that can be except the front bumper and side skirts, but i don't like either of those available in CF! that moster bumper is just too much for me and i dunno... the sides just don't appeal to me, either.

so how much R&D and whatnot cost went into this Monster CF Bumper? (once the complete bumper to be molded was sent in) because i might have to just try and gather some interesrt or if i have to, someday just foot the cost, my own damn self and get what i want made. :-P anyone else out there interested in the TC1 style front and sides? basically, the only reason i want the CF front and rear is to continue the paint scheme of of two racing stripes with CF in between.

So Jason, or anyone else that had the front CF Bumper and anyone else that has a duraflex or otherwise fiberglass front... how much weight are you saving with these replacements? how much does the stock bumper weigh? i'm VERY weight conscious!

Good since your all "weight conscious" haha. But it is just so it all adds up, you won't save much with just a front bumper replacement, then adding skirts and a rear. It may just even out.

yeah, the extra weight of the rear add on, plus skirts and all the body filler i'm sure would just even out or, if not... maybe weigh more, depending.
but i'm talking about if they do make or maybe even if i try and get a full replacement rear made. so then you'd be replacing sorta heavy urethane with light fiber based front and rear. i figure your sure to save something... even with molding the sideskirts in. so let me know... anyone else want a full replacement rear that matches up to the tc1 style skirts? carbon or regular?
surely someone else out there is obsessed with weight like i am, lol, and has weighed this shit? anyone?

So how far has this full rear come along anyway? I'm down for sure. I don't even care what the final product looks like as long as it's fg and I can mod it.

Daes, i know J has some other projects hes working on, but i think he said he was gonna pick up on this before long.

I sure hope by summer cuz my car is hitting the booth for some blue pearl seks.

Im almost posetive that the main group of guys trying to get it done want it b4 summer as well. I think after christmas time we can start to make some headway with whatever needs done.

Im willing to lend a helping hand on it.

This project is on hold for now.

what was the total cost that went into the getting the CF bumper made? not including making the bumper that was sent for the mold?

Total Cost: About $4500-5000+ (includes the cost for the manditory 10 bumpers that you have to purchase)

CF Rear will be first and foremost about the visual impact and functionality. Weight savings is a secondary benefit!